electric water pump?

And you will burn up pumps. Water doesn't lubricate like fuel does. Buy an inline electric water pump, there are plenty designed for this particular application.

I thought of that .... but I was also thinking that the lack of oil pressure (and very slow rotation) allowed the follower/rocker to bleed off oil as it might have hit the piston. I never felt even the slightest sensation of metal hitting metal.

[quote]ZFast88Z wrote: I don't really care as I can just pull another one out of the junkyard.

Update:

Now that I've finally had some weather above 30 degrees --- December was a bust --- I was able to mount both the thermostat housing adapter and the CSR pump as modified by BDE. The fit went much better than I expected, as in bolting everything up and lining up the suction tube to the thermostat's new position.

Pictures to follow in a day or two, as they're being burned onto a disc by my neighbor.

[quote]Chrisw_2003 wrote: [quote=ZFast88Z]I don't really care as I can just pull another one out of the junkyard.[/quote:168uzxt5]


using a fuel pump to pump water when electric water pumps are readily available is a half-assed attempt at solving a problem you don't even have yet- like cooling issues. using your logic, if your engine burns down- you can buy another one of those from the junkyard too. but is it worth the hassle when you're in rush-hour traffic or an accident backs up the highway and your "fuel" or "water" pump dies?

just use an electric water pump made for the application.

[quote]Chrisw_2003 wrote: First of all the engine should not be getting so hot that it needs to cool down faster, in fact if you still have more runs to do then it only needs to cool down a bit, say to ~80 celcius. My 450whp turbo track car has some aero mods including bonnet/hood vents to improve cooling so by the time it gets back into the pits its usually cooled down enough so the manual switched fan is not necessary. This is in hot summer weather. The electric water pump idea seems to be a bit of drag racing fashion thing, extra weight and complication which with a properly set up car should not be necessary unless perhaps its a mega power engine.

EDIT 80 degrees celcius not F, duh, in other words just a bit lower than the running temp.

The following are photos showing the install of the CSR water pump and thermostat housing spacer:

1) Below one can see the final install. The spacer can easily be seen (on edge) as it is bright aluminum. Note the coolant return tube just to the right of the housing --- this is what causes it to arc slightly as it lifts up from the block by 1/4 inch. Also, note the close alignment of the suction tube next to the thermostat inlet housing.

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2) A close up of the spacer itself.

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3) Prior to attaching the motor itself, one can see the need for the spacer, as the lower thermostat bolt would interfere with the adapter plate. A 1/4 inch lift was all that was needed.

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Here is a shot of the Flex-a-Lite electric fan which is radially mounted to the upper OEM shroud. This was done to keep the directly heated air from going to the intake filter which will be mounted near the OEM location.

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^^Nice setup!

Thank you. I still have to cut the timing belt shroud to fit around the pump assembly, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem with a good pair of sheet metal sheers and some patience. I'll keep things posted as they go.

Why not just clean up your block and run it with out the cover?

Because I'm the type that would end up with my finger getting caught in there, somewhere. No, really … that sort of makes me feel too uneasy. No room for any mistakes what-so-ever.

What's really holding me up is this damn cold weather I'm having out my way this season --- beginning in December (and I mean within the first few days) it's been brutally cold, and I don't have a heated garage. But everything is ready once it thaws a bit --- hell, I'll start working at 45F, too bad it's only gotten to around 35F at best.

So how many hve updated to electric over the years? How many have gone back?
Davies Craig users?

But the main question that have been asked thrue years without answer. What is the stock water pump flow rate?
How much less there is need for flow when upgrading from stock radiator to like 3row Champion?

I've had my electric water pump on now for years with no issues, so I'm not one who is thinking of ever going back. I'm using the Euro radiator which does have a slightly greater capacity than the OEM US radiator; I swapped out due to my using Euro cams and other mods which result in about 50 more HP over stock at this time. As for using larger radiators --- like the 3 row you mentioned --- you want to be sure you don't cool down the coolant too much in the radiator, as it will result in the thermostat closing down due to the engine coolant becoming too cool. This will result in a too low flow rate which will cause the engine coolant to become too hot which will then cause the thermostat to open up … and the cycle will repeat over and over and have a hard time stabilizing. Unless you're running a really hot engine, a much larger radiator won't yield more cooling, the thermostat will take care of that by allowing greater flow. Radiators don't really cool the coolant as much as most people might think; 20 - 40 degrees F is typical. They are sized more to the engine than to the flow rate; their main job is to remove heat, not cool down the coolant all that much. My mods put me way over what the Euro spec HP numbers are, yet the Euro radiator works just fine. I also have a thermistor sensing the outlet coolant temperature from the engine, which can increase the flow rate of the water pump. (Yes, it's PWM controlled.) Together with a variable speed pump and thermostat I have no problems with overheating. And should I after a hard run on the freeway come to a dead stop, my electric fan takes over and does the job.